Mexicali Blues | 1983-09-11 | Grateful Dead

G. Love and Special Sauce

Chris Forsyth

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42 shows

45 tapes

Chris Harford

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48h	30	2
7d	1	6m
30d	70	8

79 shows

93 tapes

Circles Around The Sun

1.6k

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7d	264	56
30d	1.6k	331

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30d	452	85

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30d	414	35

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30d	576	86

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48h	365	49
7d	582	85
30d	4.4k	606

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48h	385	53
7d	1k	146
30d	5.6k	788

794 shows

1,053 tapes

Dave Harrington

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48h	7	48m
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30d	1.4k	89

397 shows

604 tapes

Derek Trucks Band

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7d	2.3k	484
30d	13.9k	2.9k

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30d	231	24

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48h	300	45
7d	652	92
30d	3.5k	543

155 shows

208 tapes

Domocile

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48h	96	10
7d	242	25
30d	1.7k	171

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48h	24	4
7d	48	8
30d	273	44

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48h	223	20
7d	736	66
30d	3.1k	272

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48h	13	3
7d	57	10
30d	565	98

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48h	12	2
7d	17	2
30d	142	18

44 shows

56 tapes

Eggy

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150 shows

288 tapes

EGi

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7d	317	42
30d	2.5k	353

830 shows

1,049 tapes

Electric Beethoven

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7d	1	1
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48h	18	52m
7d	150	8
30d	778	44

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48h	1	12m
7d	26	3
30d	155	20

121 shows

180 tapes

Everyone Orchestra

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48h	3	34m
7d	5	1
30d	66	15

182 shows

286 tapes

Forgotten Space

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7d	23	3
30d	75	10

161 shows

181 tapes

Formula 5

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30d	257	16

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30d	171	11

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7d	1.6k	248
30d	10k	1.6k

246 shows

1,221 tapes

G-Nome Project

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14 shows

15 tapes

595

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48h	45	4
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30d	595	52

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48h	39	5
7d	164	17
30d	1.2k	132

397 shows

476 tapes

Garage A Trois

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7d	36	4
30d	97	13

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48h	11	3
7d	98	21
30d	340	72

311 shows

408 tapes

Garcia Peoples

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7d	5	28m
30d	10	2

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48h	0	0m
7d	24	6
30d	146	29

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48h	60	7
7d	96	11
30d	840	97

370 shows

499 tapes

Godspeed You Black Emperor!

351

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48h	54	16
7d	107	29
30d	351	88

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48h	10	32m
7d	13	2
30d	217	29

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48h	2.4k	479
7d	6.1k	1.3k
30d	36.6k	7.5k

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48h	2	10m
7d	40	4
30d	289	25

363 shows

589 tapes

Grahame Lesh and Friends

2.7k

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48h	111	17
7d	350	49
30d	2.7k	392

34 shows

109 tapes

Grampas Grass

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48h	7	1
7d	11	1
30d	18	2

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48h	431	49
7d	1.3k	150
30d	5.9k	672

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48h	45	6
7d	151	17
30d	975	106

226 shows

313 tapes

GrooveSession

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121 shows

147 tapes

Guerilla Toss

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48h	8	30m
7d	7	36m
30d	25	2

53 shows

57 tapes

Guitarmageddon

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48h	10	1
7d	0	0m
30d	12	2

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48h	17	1
7d	121	8
30d	977	72

749 shows

1,030 tapes

Hard Working Americans

267

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7d	35	4
30d	267	28

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48h	9	2
7d	102	17
30d	400	65

187 shows

226 tapes

Horseshoes and Hand Grenades

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48h	29	3
7d	17	1
30d	202	21

674 shows

846 tapes

Infamous Stringdusters

1.9k

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48h	89	8
7d	325	30
30d	1.9k	173

628 shows

1,015 tapes

J.Wail

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48h	205	13
7d	863	56
30d	5.8k	375

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48h	30	3
7d	19	2
30d	272	27

364 shows

491 tapes

Jazz Mandolin Project

176

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48h	3	21m
7d	20	3
30d	176	27

221 shows

278 tapes

Jeff Austin and Chris Castino

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48h	20	2
7d	1	4m
30d	61	6

12 shows

14 tapes

Jeff Austin And Friends

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48h	0	0m
7d	32	3
30d	96	9

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48h	114	13
7d	246	32
30d	875	106

112 shows

162 tapes

Jerry Joseph and the Jackmormons

2.8k

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48h	182	30
7d	600	95
30d	2.8k	459

1,124 shows

1,519 tapes

Jerry's Middle Finger

4.7k

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48h	253	31
7d	810	119
30d	4.7k	677

255 shows

306 tapes

Joe Russo Presents: Hooteroll? + Plus

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7d	2	23m
30d	25	3

2 shows

5 tapes

Joe Russo's Almost Dead

40.2k

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48h	3k	555
7d	6k	1.1k
30d	40.2k	7.6k

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48h	24	2
7d	51	6
30d	504	56

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48h	170	15
7d	490	44
30d	2.3k	206

373 shows

453 tapes

John Popper

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30d	36	4

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48h	44	3
7d	0	0m
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48h	0	0m
7d	5	34m
30d	219	21

73 shows

108 tapes

Karl Denson's Tiny Universe

188

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48h	27	4
7d	42	6
30d	188	25

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48h	305	28
7d	765	71
30d	4.6k	454

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48h	3	23m
7d	1	18m
30d	161	22

43 shows

54 tapes

King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard

15.6k

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48h	1.2k	150
7d	2.8k	371
30d	15.6k	2.1k

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48h	132	18
7d	256	34
30d	1.7k	238

315 shows

400 tapes

Kung Fu

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30d	96	14

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7d	225	43
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7d	264	32
30d	1.3k	155

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48h	260	24
7d	689	61
30d	3.7k	345

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48h	189	29
7d	444	92
30d	3.3k	579

452 shows

705 tapes

Little Feat

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48h	390	38
7d	1.1k	105
30d	6k	557

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48h	54	4
7d	248	19
30d	1.5k	111

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48h	60	12
7d	127	24
30d	986	180

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48h	6	38m
7d	33	3
30d	100	11

210 shows

291 tapes

Marcus King Band

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48h	178	22
7d	354	34
30d	2k	198

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48h	19	2
7d	50	5
30d	195	21

349 shows

446 tapes

Matt Pond PA

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30d	4.8k	793

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48h	12	40m
7d	106	6
30d	474	27

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	4	27m
7d	55	5
30d	139	14

157 shows

172 tapes

Minutemen

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7d	8	15m
30d	34	1

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48h	147	10
7d	183	12
30d	1.5k	103

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48h	472	77
7d	1.8k	289
30d	10.7k	1.8k

1,978 shows

4,443 tapes

Mogwai

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48h	1	7m
7d	2	15m
30d	87	9

380 shows

481 tapes

Moon Taxi

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48h	4	19m
7d	1	5m
30d	48	4

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48h	302	31
7d	1.1k	111
30d	5.1k	516

410 shows

596 tapes

Nathan Moore

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46 shows

51 tapes

Neal Francis

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48h	2	10m
7d	18	2
30d	84	8

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7d	105	14
30d	924	125

137 shows

249 tapes

Nels Cline

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48h	6	1
7d	2	24m
30d	2	24m

62 shows

73 tapes

New Riders of the Purple Sage

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48h	107	10
7d	319	26
30d	2k	168

410 shows

596 tapes

North Mississippi Allstars

1.4k

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7d	185	18
30d	1.4k	142

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48h	26	3
7d	158	17
30d	936	99

544 shows

680 tapes

Pachyderm

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7d	2	12m
30d	2	12m

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7d	32	6
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48h	11	2
7d	35	4
30d	132	19

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48h	100	18
7d	296	55
30d	1.7k	304

689 shows

920 tapes

Phil Lesh and Friends

16.8k

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48h	1.1k	198
7d	2.4k	408
30d	16.8k	2.9k

788 shows

2,858 tapes

Pigeons Playing Ping Pong

1.7k

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48h	106	18
7d	423	70
30d	1.7k	282

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48h	381	51
7d	598	83
30d	3.9k	501

293 shows

435 tapes

Quality Cinema Band

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7d	656	86
30d	3.8k	500

1,236 shows

2,196 tapes

RANA

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7d	3	13m
30d	27	2

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48h	28	3
7d	52	8
30d	471	64

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48h	417	57
7d	1.1k	148
30d	7.4k	960

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48h	161	11
7d	247	20
30d	1.1k	91

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48h	154	13
7d	161	14
30d	1.3k	116

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48h	86	7
7d	626	55
30d	2.4k	209

581 shows

729 tapes

Ryan Jewell

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7d	0	0m
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10 shows

Ted Leo and the Pharmacists

Ryley Walker

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7d	2	43m
30d	18	2

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48h	312	29
7d	728	67
30d	3.7k	351

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30d	116	14

136 shows

254 tapes

Shafty

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48h	0	0m
7d	16	2
30d	17	2

28 shows

28 tapes

Sigur Rós

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7d	2	24m
30d	45	6

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	97	8
7d	213	18
30d	1.7k	142

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48h	160	25
7d	409	63
30d	2.7k	432

561 shows

758 tapes

Spafford

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48h	99	22
7d	187	42
30d	1k	259

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48h	20	1
7d	66	4
30d	311	19

87 shows

95 tapes

Stanton Moore

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7d	3	27m
30d	21	3

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7d	139	20
30d	830	129

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48h	166	34
7d	366	79
30d	1.7k	369

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	66	9
7d	222	32
30d	2.5k	337

667 shows

1,139 tapes

String Cheese Incident

17.6k

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48h	1.3k	211
7d	3.6k	589
30d	17.6k	2.9k

1,281 shows

2,072 tapes

Surprise Me Mr. Davis

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48h	1	8m
7d	0	0m
30d	46	5

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48h	11	2
7d	55	10
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48h	26	3
7d	15	2
30d	176	23

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	105	12
7d	110	12
30d	755	79

727 shows

1,114 tapes

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30d	1	3m

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48h	764	92
7d	2.3k	284
30d	13.8k	1.7k

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48h	15	51m
7d	20	1
30d	302	14

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	146	18
7d	397	49
30d	2.2k	265

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	51	8
7d	67	12
30d	369	59

473 shows

627 tapes

The California Honeydrops

646

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48h	24	3
7d	101	12
30d	646	80

77 shows

84 tapes

The Clock Reads

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48h	228	32
7d	447	65
30d	2.7k	398

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	19	1
7d	96	8
30d	394	33

94 shows

111 tapes

The Heavy Pets

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48h	11	57m
7d	0	0m
30d	13	2

159 shows

218 tapes

The Higgs

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48h	3	4m
7d	2	19m
30d	18	2

158 shows

189 tapes

The HippoCampus

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7d	0	0m
30d	14	2

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48h	38	7
7d	98	17
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48h	36	4
7d	7	36m
30d	103	13

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48h	181	11
7d	228	12
30d	771	48

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48h	69	5
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30d	1.4k	101

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48h	10	2
7d	10	3
30d	332	66

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	80	7
7d	148	17
30d	964	99

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48h	94	13
7d	369	55
30d	1.8k	281

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	453	46
7d	1.2k	129
30d	6.9k	695

1,451 shows

1,648 tapes

The Walkmen

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48h	3	12m
7d	28	2
30d	67	6

18 shows

19 tapes

The War on Drugs

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	59	5
7d	186	19
30d	1k	107

71 shows

91 tapes

The Werks

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48h	0	0m
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30d	16	3

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48h	56	14
7d	291	26
30d	1.3k	131

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48h	72	5
7d	185	12
30d	976	66

175 shows

210 tapes

Trevor Garrod

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7d	14	1
30d	44	4

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48h	433	67
7d	1.7k	243
30d	7.6k	1.1k

464 shows

464 tapes

Turkuaz

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48h	16	2
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30d	52	5

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48h	89	16
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48h	267	41
7d	890	131
30d	5.4k	809

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48h	9	56m
7d	47	4
30d	423	35

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48h	105	8
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30d	1.9k	138

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48h	864	67
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30d	14.4k	1.2k

622 shows

1,136 tapes

White Denim

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48h	64	9
7d	140	19
30d	983	134

1,416 shows

2,242 tapes

Yonder Mountain String Band

11k

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48h	854	81
7d	2.1k	191
30d	11k	1k

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48h	169	24
7d	262	37
30d	890	133

18 shows

24 tapes

Zebu

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7d	262	46
30d	1.6k	284

461 shows

665 tapes

Zoofunkyou

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48h	1	9m
7d	0	0m
30d	18	3

37 shows

39 tapes

Grateful Dead

Recent Top Venues Songs Tours

Years

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48h	565	76
7d	1.7k	235
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30d	10.6k	1.5k

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30d	41.4k	5.4k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	3.5k	459
7d	5.9k	756
30d	38.5k	5.1k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	5.8k	729
7d	13.7k	1.9k
30d	36.3k	5k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	4.8k	623
7d	17.8k	2.2k
30d	47.4k	6.1k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	2.8k	346
7d	7k	875
30d	48.3k	6k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.1k	123
7d	3.3k	385
30d	21.2k	2.4k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	3.5k	389
7d	5.4k	604
30d	34.3k	3.7k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	958	107
7d	2.2k	244
30d	12.1k	1.4k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.7k	198
7d	4.4k	514
30d	22.5k	2.6k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	3.5k	415
7d	7.1k	857
30d	20.5k	2.6k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.3k	172
7d	3.5k	469
30d	29.7k	3.9k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.2k	146
7d	3.8k	473
30d	42.2k	5.2k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	2k	248
7d	5.3k	673
30d	44.6k	5.6k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	3.6k	423
7d	13.3k	1.5k
30d	70.7k	8.2k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.5k	214
7d	3.7k	527
30d	22.2k	3.1k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.9k	257
7d	5.2k	704
30d	51k	7k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	8.6k	1.2k
7d	47.4k	6.5k
30d	292.7k	40.4k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	20.3k	2.6k
7d	17.3k	2.4k
30d	61.3k	8.4k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	222	24
7d	1.6k	153
30d	6.5k	662

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	3.6k	475
7d	14.4k	1.9k
30d	100.5k	12.8k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	7.5k	1.1k
7d	17.5k	2.3k
30d	87.2k	11.1k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	2.1k	267
7d	7.1k	888
30d	67.2k	8.2k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.5k	170
7d	4.7k	527
30d	34.1k	3.9k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.4k	170
7d	12.9k	1.3k
30d	46.3k	4.9k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1.3k	167
7d	4.9k	785
30d	27.2k	4.1k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	455	59
7d	1.7k	222
30d	7.5k	943

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	113	15
7d	289	41
30d	1.6k	218

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	430	28
7d	779	49
30d	8.1k	539

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	25	2
7d	136	8
30d	632	37

1983

257

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	8	1
7d	24	3
30d	257	32

106

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	22	3
7d	55	7
30d	106	14

103

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	9	1
30d	103	12

Marin County Veterans Auditorium

141

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	2	20m
7d	20	4
30d	141	25

2:55:53

22 tapes

10/31SBD

San Rafael, CA, USA

197

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	45	6
7d	35	5
30d	197	28

2:40:11

8 tapes

10/30SBD

Marin County Veterans Auditorium

San Rafael, CA, USA

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	19	2
7d	11	1
30d	85	10

2:26:12

7 tapes

10/22SBD

Carrier Dome, Syracuse U.

Syracuse, NY, USA

416

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	7	49m
7d	90	12
30d	416	56

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	14	2
7d	56	8
30d	317	49

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	7	59m
7d	31	4
30d	85	11

3:00:43

21 tapes

10/18SBD

Cumberland County Civic Center

Portland, ME, USA

222

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	98	12
30d	222	28

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	48	7
7d	81	14
30d	405	67

3:29:59

26 tapes

10/15SBD

Hartford Civic Center

Hartford, CT, USA

259

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	17	2
7d	88	12
30d	259	34

4:46:21

38 tapes

10/14SBD

Hartford Civic Center

Hartford, CT, USA

719

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	47	6
7d	133	20
30d	719	115

3:07:26

28 tapes

10/12SBD

Madison Square Garden

New York, NY, USA

244

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	41	6
7d	48	7
30d	244	34

5:08:21

24 tapes

10/11SBD

Madison Square Garden

New York, NY, USA

493

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	59	7
7d	113	14
30d	493	59

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	13	2
7d	7	1
30d	84	13

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	6	39m
30d	90	11

4:14:12

20 tapes

9/24SBD

Santa Cruz County Fairgrounds

Watsonville, CA, USA

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	18	2
30d	97	12

2:44:13

14 tapes

9/18SBD

Nevada County Fairgrounds

Grass Valley, CA, USA

138

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	5	40m
7d	19	3
30d	138	21

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	4	57m
7d	22	4
30d	146	21

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1	4m
7d	48	5
30d	415	49

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	20	3
7d	34	4
30d	247	30

2:48:20

16 tapes

9/08SBD

Red Rocks Amphitheatre

Morrison, CO, USA

197

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	9	2
7d	16	4
30d	197	30

2:56:12

9/07

Red Rocks Amphitheatre

Morrison, CO, USA

134

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	17	2
7d	15	2
30d	134	16

2:32:24

Boise Pavillion Boise State U.

9/06SBD

Red Rocks Amphitheatre

Morrison, CO, USA

325

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	5	37m
7d	23	3
30d	325	42

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	13	2
7d	25	3
30d	221	29

2:49:31

18 tapes

9/02SBD

Boise, ID, USA

615

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	64	8
7d	138	21
30d	615	83

3:04:50

8/31SBD

Silva Hall, Hult Center

Eugene, OR, USA

165

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	1	10m
30d	165	18

2:38:40

8/30SBD

Silva Hall, Hult Center

Eugene, OR, USA

128

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	9	1
7d	3	31m
30d	128	17

2:36:05

10 tapes

8/29SBD

Silva Hall, Hult Center

Eugene, OR, USA

309

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	10	1
7d	109	15
30d	309	44

2:34:18

15 tapes

8/27

Seattle Center Coliseum

Seattle, WA, USA

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	18	2
30d	91	12

2:25:56

Portland Memorial Coliseum

8/26

Portland, OR, USA

171

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	10	1
7d	68	9
30d	171	23

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	8	53m
7d	40	4
30d	243	29

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	4	36m
7d	37	6
30d	166	23

2:54:20

Ventura County Fairgrounds

7/31SBD

Ventura, CA, USA

212

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	6	47m
7d	46	7
30d	212	29

2:53:47

Ventura County Fairgrounds

7/30SBD

Ventura, CA, USA

213

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	33	4
7d	54	6
30d	213	26

2:30:51

10 tapes

6/28SBD

Poplar Creek Music Theater

Hofman Estates, IL, USA

350

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	10	1
7d	43	6
30d	350	46

2:43:36

Poplar Creek Music Theater

6/27SBD

Hofman Estates, IL, USA

588

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	128	17
30d	588	75

2:40:46

Merriweather Post Pavilion

6/25

St. Paul Civic Center

St. Paul, MN, USA

124

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	11	2
30d	124	14

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	17	2
7d	25	3
30d	303	39

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	7	56m
7d	1	6m
30d	186	22

2:23:05

19 tapes

6/21SBD

Columbia, MD, USA

233

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	53	6
7d	44	5
30d	233	26

2:58:35

8 tapes

6/20

Merriweather Post Pavilion

Columbia, MD, USA

593

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	78	10
7d	77	10
30d	593	77

2:55:40

Saratoga Performing Arts Center

6/18

Saratoga Springs, NY, USA

475

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	23	4
7d	79	13
30d	475	77

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	13	2
7d	95	11
30d	4.8k	583

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	8	1
7d	13	2
30d	3.3k	410

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	34	5
7d	130	20
30d	3.1k	482

Philadelphia, PA, USA

643

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	23	3
7d	104	14
30d	643	85

Philadelphia, PA, USA

159

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	23	3
30d	159	20

2:31:16

Veterans Memorial Coliseum

4/23SBD

New Haven, CT, USA

234

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	10	2
7d	34	6
30d	234	34

3:07:53

23 tapes

4/22

Veterans Memorial Coliseum

New Haven, CT, USA

156

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	21	3
7d	13	1
30d	156	20

3:07:59

20 tapes

4/20SBD

Providence Civic Center

Providence, RI, USA

261

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	14	2
7d	94	11
30d	261	31

2:41:43

Alfond Arena, U. of Maine

4/19SBD

Orono, ME, USA

114

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	2	35m
7d	50	6
30d	114	13

East Rutherford, NJ, USA

310

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	4	30m
7d	88	11
30d	310	36

East Rutherford, NJ, USA

226

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	36	5
7d	62	8
30d	226	27

2:45:01

26 tapes

4/15SBD

Community War Memorial Auditorium

Rochester, NY, USA

282

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	47	6
7d	75	10
30d	282	37

3:01:54

23 tapes

4/13SBD

Patrick Field House, U. of Vermont

Burlington, VT, USA

1.1k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	61	9
7d	185	27
30d	1.1k	151

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	38	4
7d	128	15
30d	436	53

3:07:46

20 tapes

4/10SBD

Morgantown Civic Center

Morgantown, WV, USA

282

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	13	1
7d	54	6
30d	282	31

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	55	6
7d	85	9
30d	724	77

971

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	46	5
7d	77	8
30d	971	105

277

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	7	45m
7d	3	19m
30d	277	28

Compton Terrace Amphitheatre

118

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	32	4
7d	18	2
30d	118	13

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	10	1
7d	20	2
30d	190	24

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	65	8
7d	33	4
30d	323	39

2:34:28

10 tapes

3/25SBD

Tempe, AZ, USA

360

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	33	4
7d	58	6
30d	360	40

2:17:51

3/14SBD

Club Front - Rehearsals

San Rafael, CA

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	13	59m
30d	37	3

1:05:12

2/06SBD

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	7	10m
30d	11	19m

19:23

2/01SBD

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	2	23m
30d	6	1

50:21

1/31SBD

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	2	7m
30d	4	14m

37:47

1/24SBD

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	0	0m
30d	24	55m

47:22

gd1983-09-11.125609.mtx.dusborne.flac16

Sources

Transferrer: Matrix by dusborne

2 Source Matrix Matrix by dusborne; Soundboard (shinid:4995) SBD>Master Cassette>1 Reel>DAT>DAT>WAV>Soundforge 4.0>CDWAV 1.53>MKW 0.97b>SHN DAT>WAV via Sony SDT-9000 DDS drive using VDAT 0.6f and Audience (shnid:100454)FOB) Nakamichi CM300->PCM->DAT (16/44)

gd1983-09-11.sbd.unk.109158.shnf

View Notes---Thank you Dankseed for all your work on the SBD.
---Thank you Keith Litzenberger for providing your DAT of the AUD.
---Thank you Mike Watson for your transfer of the AUD source.
---Thank you Germain for your advice, encouragement, guidance and seeding.

Matrix by dusborne

09-03-2013
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Mickey Hart's 40th birthday
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tagging notes:
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dusborne 09-03-2013

Transferrer: vamarty

SBD-> ?->CD->EAC->WAV->SHN w/ Aud Patches

Master Cassette>1 Reel> DAT> DAT> WAV> Soundforge 4.0> CDWAV 1.53> MKW 0.97b> SHN

View NotesSBD with several Audience patches.  Sorry I don't have the original txt file that came with these files.  
However, since the Archive folks decided to put that ridiculous Audience version that's missing half the first set!!! 
I've put this version on bt so folks can have it.  Enjoy!  It was a great show.  One of the folks that I saw this show 
with remarked afterwards "I'm going back east this fall to see a real Morning Dew indoors."  What an idiot.  And, the 
joke was on him, as this was the last Dew for 1983.

Transferrer: Master Cassette>1 Reel> DAT> DAT> WAV> Soundforge 4.0> CDWAV 1.53> MKW 0.97b> SHN

gd83-09-11.sbd.dankseed.4995.sbeok.shnf

SBD> Master Cassette

Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller

View Notes* Mickey Hart's 40th birthday

SBD> Master Cassette> 1 Reel> DAT> DAT> WAV> Soundforge 4.0> CDWAV 1.53> MKW 0.97b> SHN; DAT> WAV via Sony SDT-9000 DDS drive using VDAT 0.6f; see info file for details and flaw notes; <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dankseeds/files/gd83-09-11/" rel="ugc nofollow">QC</a> courtesy <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dankseeds/" rel="ugc nofollow">dankseeds</a>

Taper: Jim Vita

gd1983-09-11.163651.set2.neumann.vita.miller.clugston.flac2496

Master Audience Cassette; Neumann mics > Sony D5 > Jim Vita's 1st Generation cassettes

Master cassettes (Nakamichi CR-7A)> Tascam DA-3000 (24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC 2022 > TLH flac2496

Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Jim Vita (RIP) for the 1st generation cassette source
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort
- Thanks to Jeff Silberman for the Sennheiser 441 source which supplies a 7:38 patch in "Drums", as well as "Sunshine Daydream"
- Pitch corrected

Mastered by Scott Clugston
November 2022

Taper: Jim Vita

gd1983-09-11.163650.set2.neumann.vita.miller.clugston.flac1648

Master Audience Cassette; Neumann mics > Sony D5 > Jim Vita's 1st Generation cassettes

Master cassettes (Nakamichi CR-7A)> Tascam DA-3000 (24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC 2022 > TLH flac2496

Scott Clugston and Charlie Miller

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Jim Vita (RIP) for the 1st generation cassette source
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort
- Thanks to Jeff Silberman for the Sennheiser 441 source which supplies a 7:38 patch in "Drums", as well as "Sunshine Daydream"
- Pitch corrected

Mastered by Scott Clugston
November 2022

Taper: Robert Bryant

Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR7-A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp (24/96) > Adobe Audition CC 2020 > TLH flac2496

Scott Clugston and Charlie Miller

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Robert Bryant for the master cassette recording
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort
- Thanks to Bob Wagner for the Nakamichi 700 source which supplies a 0:16 patch during the noodle into "Truckin', as well as an 0:08 patch at the end of "Sugar Magnolia"
- Pitch corrected

Mastered by Scott Clugston
December 2020

Taper: Robert Bryant

Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR7-A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp (24/96) > Adobe Audition CC 2020 > TLH flac2496

Charlie Miller and Joe Noel

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Robert Bryant for the master cassette recording
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort
- Thanks to Bob Wagner for the Nakamichi 700 source which supplies a 0:16 patch during the noodle into "Truckin', as well as an 0:08 patch at the end of "Sugar Magnolia"
- Pitch corrected

Mastered by Scott Clugston
December 2020

Taper: Jeff Silberman

gd1983-09-11.139652.FOB.s2.Sen441.Silberman.Gans.Miller.Noel.fix.t-flac16

Set 2 Jeff Silberman FOB Master Recording: Sennheiser 441's > Technics PCM master > Vault Clone > David Gans Clone; Charlie Miller

PCM (Sony SL-10) > Sony PCM-601ESD > Behringer Ultramatch Pro > Tascam DA-3000 (16-bit/44.1k); Edited & Mastered in Audacity by Joe Noel; Wave > Flac 16/44; Checksum & tags created in xACT (note: the original source had an error of d2t05)

View Notes- David Gans cloned this PCM from the GD vault.
- Jeff Silberman's recording is in the vault, it's that good.
- s2t05 fixed

Taper: Les Shields and Kevin T. Hughes

2:43:28

Les Shields and Kevin T. Hughes

Kevin T. Hughes

gd1983-09-11.161893.nak300-cp4.shields-hughes.flac2496

Two Nak CM300 Microphones w/ CP4 Shotgun Caps > Sony D5 Recorder > Sony D6 Recorder > (Master) Maxell MX 90 Cassette(s) 9 feet high located FOB

Denon DRM-555 Player > Acer Aspire AX 3910 PC via In Line 3.5 cm portal > CD Wave Editor (WAV to FLAC 2496 Conversion)

gd1983-09-11.152635.mtx.seamons.ht129.flac16

View Notes// - tape pause or tape flip
~20 sec patch at start of Around and Around to cover tape flip using the Hunter Seamons matrix recording.

Source 10 of 20

Matrix by Hunter Seamons using Final Cut Pro (FLAC > AIFF > Final Cut > Soundtrack Pro > AIFF CD tracking via Audacity > FLAC16 via xACT w/meta-tagging)

View NotesNotes:

AUD-only for first 2:53 of Alabama Getaway.

Clicks and static occurrences removed or reduced: 2 in Alabama Getaway, 1 in Dire Wolf, 4 in Hell In A Bucket, 5 in West LA Fadeaway, 1 in Me And My Uncle, 2 in Mexicali Blues, 7 in Althea, 1 in CC Rider, 1 in Help On The Way, 7 in Franklin's Tower, 6 in Let It Grow, 4 in He's Gone, 2 in Space, 8 in Wang Dang Doodle, 1 in Morning Dew.

Some anomalies remain after clean-up, mostly static from the sound system, in an otherwise great sounding SBD source. The minor analog noise in Althea (2nd occurrence) was reduced significantly. The Wang Dang Doodle PA noise was softened slightly. More frequent faint clicks occur during Space.

One section of SBD dead air was trimmed out, between Bucket and West LA.

Slightly more EQ work after West LA and Space due to sonic changes, then relatively much less EQ after Althea and the Wang Dang Doodle cut in the SBD - these adjustments were the same for both sets, so there are basically "A", "B" and "C" EQ settings applied to each set. (Typical subtle EQ work for these tapes, usually gently adjusting the high and/or low ends [in this case the high] to be more sonically palatable, done more to "fix" than "enhance" the sound. Mixing two sources together often requires compensatory EQ, where one or both sources are EQ'd. 31 band equalizer used.)

#143081, recorded by Executive Crew Chris Kidwell, Tom Pinney and Sean Murtha (transferred by Kyle Holbrook), patches the tail end of Might As Well to preserve the audience applause. #141025, billydee's tape (Larry Sellers & the Philly Crew transfer via Joe Noel), appears to be patched out of the Executive Crew's Beyerdynamic M201 mic rig and patches 20 seconds of the beginning of Let It Grow (missing from #143081). 5 second dropouts in Space and Sugar Magnolia were also patched. 15 seconds were missing from Let It Grow in the SBD source.

Bryant's excellent audience tape was the most optimal for this matrix and adds some nice full, clean bass response. He also recorded 9/10, yet billydee's tape (Beyerdynamic 180's) still seems better sounding for that particular matrix.

Taper: Executive Crew, Chris Kidwell, Tom Pinney, Sean Murtha

2:47:27

Executive Crew, Chris Kidwell, Tom Pinney, Sean Murtha

Kyle Holbrook

gd1983-09-11.143082.beyerm201.holbrook.flac2448

<b/>flac24/48 </b> Master: AUD MC Beyer M201's X-Y 6'up > Sony TCD5M no dolby Maxell UDXLII90 x 2 Location: 100 feet from stage DFC

Nakamichi CR-5A (24/96) > Tascam DR680|SD > i7Windows7 Audacity > cdwav editor > TLH flac level 8

View NotesMickey Hart's 40th birthday
/    tape paused between songs
//   tape flip
///  tape swap back to tape 1 side B
+    Missing on both First Gen and Master tapes

tour story in text file

Taper: Executive Crew, Chris Kidwell, Tom Pinney, Sean Murtha

2:47:28

Executive Crew, Chris Kidwell, Tom Pinney, Sean Murtha

Kyle Holbrook

gd1983-09-11.143081.beyerm201.holbrook.flac1644

<b/>flac16/44.1 </b> Master: AUD MC Beyer M201's X-Y 6'up > Sony TCD5M no dolby Maxell UDXLII90 x 2 Location: 100 feet from stage DFC

Nakamichi CR-5A (24/96) > Tascam DR680|SD > i7Windows7 Audacity > cdwav editor > TLH flac level 8 Mastered: Executive Crew Chris Kidwell Tom Pinney Sean Murtha

View NotesMickey Hart's 40th birthday
/    tape paused between songs
//   tape flip
///  tape swap back to tape 1 side B
+    Missing on both First Gen and Master tapes

tour story in text file

Taper: billydee

Joe Noel, Larry Sellers

gd1983-09-11.141025.FOB.Beyer.billydee.Sellars.Noel.t.flac1644

billydee recording (patched out of): Beyerdynamics 180's > Sony TC-D5M > master audio cassette (FOB); Larry Sellers & the Philly Crew Direct Stream Digital (DSD)

MAC > Nak CR7A w/ azimuth adjusted > Korg MR-1000 @ 5.8mhz > FLAC 24/96; Edited & Mastered in Audacity by Joe Noel, Flac 24/96; Checksum & tags created in xACT; 24 bit to 16 bit with MusicConverter using sox-14-4-2

Larry Sellers & the Philly Crew; Joe Noel

View NotesPatch:
- Source #23224 (Silberman) supplies;
- s1t03; 4:10 - 4:25
- s1t08; 5:10 - 5:29
- s2t01; 0:00 - 0:22
- s2t04; 0:00 - 0:25
- s2t06; 1:19 - 1:47 
- s2t11; 0:00 - 0:05

Notes:
- crossfades applied to tapes pauses
- Mickey Hart's 40th Birthday. 
- Weekend shows that lasted nearly six hours, aka the music never stopped.
- Willie Dixon -> Bonnie Dobson, can't say that happened a lot.
- This file set is 16 bit, 24 bit to 16 bit with MusicConverter using sox-14-4-2

Taper: billydee

gd1983-09-11.139021.FOB.Beyers.billydee.Sellars.Noel.t-flac24

billydee recording (patched out of): Beyerdynamic m201 mics > Sony TC-D5M > master audio cassette (FOB); Larry Sellers & the Philly Crew Direct Stream Digital (DSD)

MAC > Nak CR7A w/ azimuth adjusted > Korg MR-1000 @ 5.8mhz > FLAC 24/96; Edited & Mastered in Audacity by Joe Noel, Flac 24/96; Checksum & tags created in xACT

View NotesNotes:
- crossfades applied to tapes pauses
- Mickey Hart's 40th Birthday. 
- Weekend shows that lasted nearly six hours, aka the music never stopped.
- Willie Dixon -> Bonnie Dobson, can't say that happened a lot.

Transferrer: Matrix by Dave Usborne

Matrix by Dave Usborne

gd1983-09-11.131805.mtx.remix.dusborne.flac16

2 Source Matrix by dusborne; This is a remix and remaster of <a href="http://db.etree.org/shn/125609">gd83-09-11.125609.mtx.dusborne.flac16</a>

gd1983-09-11.112783.Sennheiser421.daweez.d5scott.flac16

View NotesI was never very happy with my original matrix of September 11, 1983. The SBD recording 
has some funky mix issues, particularly too loud cymbals, especially a crash cymbal. 
There is also some annoying high-end fizz and quite a bit of tape hiss on the SBD, I did 
use Izotope RX 2 for some very light noise reduction. I remixed and smoothed out some of 
the crossfades on the original synced files in Reaper v4.61/x64,  some great software from 
Waves was utilized to master the final mix. It's not perfect, but I think the extra time 
and work provides for a better listening experience. For best results, crank it up good 
and loud, enjoy this deservedly legendary show on Micky Hart's  40th birthday.
Dusborne 12-02-2014

Taper: Da Weez

source: 2 Sennheiser 421 microphones (up front-center) > Sony TC-D5M - analog master cassettes;

Sony TC-D5M (original record deck) > Pre Sonus Inspire GT > Sound Forge > .wav files > Trader's Little Helper > flac files

(FOB) Nakamichi CM300->PCM

View Notes---------------------------------
R.I.P. Sandy - aka "Bigfoot"  
---------------------------------

Transferrer: M. Watson

PCM->DAT (16/44), Dat clone->Sony PCM R-500->VX Pocket V2->SF6

View NotesHere's another one from the DAT collection of Keith Litzenberger. The only info I have is what was listed on the DAT. I believe the info is correct because some of the same crowd noise can be heard here and the Tony Suraci source. During the set II tuning a fan requests "The Wheel". This guy seems to be in between this taper and tony Suraci. so that tells me the FOB info is correct. There are no cuts where cassette flips would normally be and it sounds really crisp and clean leading me to believe it was mastered on PCM. God Bless The Grateful Dead, Enjoy!

Taper: Mike G. and Tony Suraci

2:43:44

Mike G. and Tony Suraci

Tony Suraci

gd1983-09-11.nak304.mikeg-suraci.79168.sbeok.flac16

Nakamichi CM304's>Sony D5>Sony D6 Location: FOB, stand at 7 feet

Sony D5Pro>Lunatec V3>722@24/96 Editing: 722>Adobe Aud.>16Bit>Cdwav>flac

Taper: Jeff Silberman

gd1983-09-11.senn441.silberman.clugston.23224.sbefail.shnf

Jeff Silberman's Master Audience PCM Sennheiser 441 mics > Technics SV100 PCM

PCM > DAT > CDR

gd83-09-11.sennheiser.4874.sbeok.shnf

View NotesNotes
- *Additional Editing by The Mighty Terrapin(Had The Remaining tracks from d1t06-10)
- Fits on 3 80 min cdr(audio)

Source 20 of 20

Jeff Silberman's Master Audience PCM; Sennheiser 441 mics > Technics SV100 PCM > DAT > CDR> EAC> SHN; CD Remastering, EAC'ed / SHN'ed by Scott Clugston; to abgd?